MAR 1985 - #4 ****************************** ARTICLE ********************************* Excerpt from "Grandmother Stories, Numbers 6 and 7" by Mrs. Frances Knox Childs ... More families continued to move into the area [St. Lawrence County, NY]. Some time during the 1810's David and Sally Loop ... took up land in Russell. David ... settled in Russell and had a family of five sons and five daughters. He named one of his son's Vanransler [sp?], for the Dutch patroon, Killian Van Rensselaer, whose estate covered almost all of three counties south of Albany. When Vanransler Loop reached the age to marry he chose Clarissa Collister to be his bride. Vanransler was called "Rant" by his family and friends. His bride was called "Claracy." Rant and Claracy Loop began housekeeping in a log cabin in the southern section of Russell called Belleville. Their nine children were born there. On November 24, 1850 their seventh child was born. Rant and Claracy named her Isabell for Queen Isabella of Spain. At the time of her birth her oldest brother, Spellman, was twelve years old. Spaced at two year intervals between Spellman and Isabell were three brothers and two sisters, Leeman, Stillman, Rachel Delilah, Sarah and James Henry. Before Isabell celebrated her sixth birthday two other brothers arrived. They were named Charles Lyman and D. Almon. A broad valley spread northwestward through the Belleville section. It was bordered with low hills. The valley provided level, fertile land for farming. The forested hills were the hunting ground of Rant and his sons. Each year before the deep snows of winter arrived Isabell watched her father and brothers fill the log shed attached to the cabin with deer carcasses. They reached from the floor to the rafters and froze quickly. The artic cold sweeping across central Canada and Lake Ontario brought temperatures frequently far below zero. Venison was the main food supply for the large family during the long winter, and Isabell's first lessons in cooking were learning to prepare venison for the family meals. Isabell was ten years old when the Confederate States seceded from the Union and the Civil War began. For months her father and older brothers had argued the issues of slavery and the rights of states. For a year and three months after Fort Sumter fell, Rant and the boys followed the course of the war. Then on the first day of August, 1862, Spellman, nearing his twenty-fourth birthday, enlisted for a three year term. A week later Leeman, nearly twenty-two years of age, followed his brother's example. Before the month was out Isabell saw both brothers leave home to be mustered into Co. K, 106th Regiment, New York Infantry. these two farmer boys who had roamed the hills and valleys of northern New York were to be a part of the army that fought numerous battles in Virginia and West Virginia. Isabell and her family search the weekly papers for news of the Loop boys' regiment, reading the entire list of casualties, fearing that the names of Spellman and Leeman might be there. Two years after they had enlisted, their brother Stillman joined the New York Cavalry. In January, 1865, Leeman was furloughed to his home for a month to recuperate from a gunshot wound along the top of his head. He had received it while making a charge during the seige of Petersburgh. At the end of the month he reported back for duty with his regiment. When later the same year the war ended and he was mustered out he had taken part in twenty-seven battles, the major ones being the Battle of the Wilderness and Spottsylvania, and he had been appointed a corporal. Spellman had risen to the rank of Sargeant during his three years with the 106th New York Regiment. He returned to his home with his hearing partially gone. While in the line of duty as a teamster in the supply train at the battles of both Martinsburg, Virginia, and Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, he had been required to remain so near the artillery while the Confederates were being shelled that he became partially deaf. He was not well either, suffering from the effects of dysentery during the war years. When that summer he married Malissa Wheeler from the neighboring town of Hermon and rented a farm in the same town, he was in such poor health that he hired his seventeen year old brother Henry to work for him. In the fall of 1868, when his health was somewhat improved, he gave up the rented farm and moved with his wife, infant daughter and two year old son to Flushing, Michigan. He spent the rest of his life farming in Genesee County [Michigan] and died in 1918 in his eightieth year. Leeman Loop went west nearly as soon as he was discharged from the army. He was a pioneer settler of Otter Tail County, Minnesota, and earned his living as a farmer and stone mason. Two years after his arrival he married and his family came to number five children. Like many of the pioneer settlers in Minnesota Leeman depended on deer hunting for his meat supply. In one of those early years he bagged twenty-seven deer. Leeman liked hunting as much as his father did. The last hunting trip he made was when he was ninty-one years of age. He died shortly before his ninety-second birthday. Stillman, the youngest of the three Civil War veterans, also went west soon after returning to his father's home. He spent six years in Michigan. In 1870, while working at a saw mill he was accidentally struck by a handle on the framework of a drag saw. When picked up by the mill owner he was thought to be dead, but he recovered. The next year he returned to northern New York and spent the rest of his life in towns adjoining Russell. He was married, had two children, and lived to be eighty-six years old. Many changes were taking place in Isabell's family. She had seen her three older brothers return from the Civil War and go west. In June of 1865 her sister Delilah had been the first of the family to marry. Delilah and John Noble started their home on a farm over the town line in Edwards. Then in March of 1870 Isabell's mother, Clarissa Collister Loop, forty- nine years old, was taken sick and died. Vanransler remarried, choosing for his second wife, Susan Dygert, a widow lady who had several children. Soon after this a young man from Blandford [Massachusetts] came to Russell. ... Will Bates of Blandford was a farmer and a tanner. Just whom he was visiting in Russell is not known, but he became acquainted with Isabell and Sarah Loop. He persuaded them to return with him to Blandford where a number of their mother's Collister relatives continued to live. Probably Will Bates took the young ladies around Blandford in his carriage, showing them the village stores, the large new church standing across the road from where the first one had been built, and the pine grove sloping away from it to the south and west. ... Out in North Blandford where the Loop sisters hoped to find employment, Will showed them the little mills. Baskets, bedsteads, woodenware and countless other articles were manufactured in the mills that had sprung up along the brooks that carried the water from the steep hillsides. ... Will showed them his farm in a valley near the southern boundary of the town, and he took them to see their mother's sister, Mariah Collister Knox. She and her son John had an upland farm in the northeastern section of Second Division, ... Sarah and Isabell Loop found employment in a shop where men's straw hats were made, but on Sundays and whenever a little free time could be found Sarah and Isabell, Will Bates and John Knox enjoyed each other's company. The friendship led to the marriage on December 6, 1874 of Isabell Loop and John Collister Knox at the Congregational parsonage in Blandford. He was thirty-four and Isabell was ten years younger. [Here I'm leaving out a great deal of interesting detail about Isabell and John's life together. He died in June, 1893, according to this story.] To observe Isabell Knox's sixtieth birthday, Almon took his mother back to northern New York to visit her relatives, Delilah, Stillman and Lyman. Isabell's father had died before the turn of the century. Her two oldest brothers had settled in Michigan and Minnesota, her sister Sarah lived in Blandford, her youngest brother was in New Hampshire, and her brother Henry had died in 1909. He was the only member of her family that failed to reach his eightieth year. Henry was only sixty-one. ... In the fall of 1933 there was a family gathering... Isabell's sister Sarah Bates came for the festivity. She had celebrated her eighty-sixth birthday in June. Both Sarah and Isabell seemed in their usual health, but before the year came to an end both had left the family circle. Three weeks before her eighty-third birthday, Isabell Loop Knox was laid to rest in the cemetery across the road from the Blandford Church. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ VITAL DATA +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Census records for Wayne County, NY, all Loop's on file, provided by Wayne County Historian: 1830: town of Ontario: Jacob Loop 1 male 5-10, 2 males 10-15, 1 male 15-20, 1 male 30-40, 1 female 5-10, and 1 female 30-40 years of age. 1850: town of Macedon: John Loop, 21, laborer, born N.Y., living in family of John and Margaret Beam. 1875: town of Arcadia: John Loop, 55, hired man, born Fulton County, farm laborer, living in family of James and Mary Griffin. 1900: Proceedings of the Board of Supervisors, Report of the Superintendent of the Poor, page 132, died at Wayne County Home, John Loop, Walworth, January 15, 1900. From Ross Roby: I have xerox copies of two indentures that are at Bath, Steuben County Court House. #1 is dated Dec. 8, 1814 between Peter C. Loop of the town of Painted Post in the County of Steuben and John Huey. Peter C. Loop sells 65 acres in Painted Post to John Huey, the same parcel which Peter inherited from Abraham Huey. #2 is dated May 5, 1820 and the seller is Peggy Loop, wife of Peter C. Loop. Peggy seems to come into this indenture as the "true" heir of Abraham Huey (so possibly she was originally Peggy Huey). The parcel she sells seems to be the same which Peter C. sold to John Huey 6 years earlier? Peggy is, in this indenture, a resident of Dauphin County, PA. The buyer is John Emmins [?] of Elmira. ... Peggy in 1820 is still wife of Peter C. Loop, not widow, which might mean Peter C. settled in Dauphin Co, PA. I have indentures also of 1) Peter Loop Jr., of Bath (no C. there) in 1808 selling Bath acreage (250) and 2) Sarah [Birney] Loop buys in 1833 a 58 acre plot in Bath Township (perhaps now Avoca or Wheeler) which she sells in 1838 (at a profit) presumably when she moves to Belvidere, IL. (Peter C. Loop is described, in this indenture of Sarah's as the one who surveyed the plot in 1814) and 3) Henry Loop of Bath buys small farm in 1830 and with Minerva sell same in 1837... I believe I have seen references to Peter C. Loop as all over Steuben and neighboring counties surveying. Notes of Leon Niles of Dewittville, NY, who does not provide sources: David Loop 1810 - 1880 Conewango-Napoli [Cattauragus Co., NY] Mary Winter his wife 1814 - 1890 Moses Charlotte Mary 1846 -1878 Edward Thomas 1855 - 1862 David Jr. 1850 - William 1840 - 1861 Sally 1836 - 1853 Charlotte - 2 Infant 1853 - 1853 David Loop Jr. 1850 - Conewango Sally Cowan his wife daughter of John and Rachel Cowan Claude Josephine Mary ?????????????????????????????? QUERIES ????????????????????????????????? Please send responses to queries to the Loop Scoop. I will relay them to the person asking the question. 1. Henry H. Loop was born in New York between 1827 and 1836. He does not show up in Chautauqua County until the 1855 census of that county. There he is listed as the adopted son of Nicolas Thum and his county of birth is listed as unknown. He married Luana Marsh and lived in Chautauqua County until his death in 1911. On his death certificate his father is listed as John Loop. No mother is listed. Questions: Where was he born? Who were his parents? - Vick Bennison 2. Family info indicates father of Peter H. Loop b. 1766/7 d. 1855 Sandusky Co., OH, was Peter Loop Sr. b. 1743 Schoharie, NY, d. 1843 Woodstock, IL. Other info places Peter H. as the son of Ensign Henry Loop. Has anyone found records of a Schoharie NY Peter Loop, of a Peter Loop dying or buried at Woodstock (McHenry County) IL, or a marriage record of Ensign Henry's son Peter? My Peter Loop married Rebecca Gilbert, supposedly in 1790 at Schoharie, NY, and his tombstone has Peter Loop, JR. 1766 - 1855. - Joanne Ellis 3. I am seeking the parents of Jane Loop who married Jonathan Andrus (Andrews) of New York. Their child, Polly Andrews, born 3 APR 1791, died 17 DEC 1872 at Windsor, NY, she having married Ezra Barton on 28 NOV 1808 in Broome County, NY. Is there proof that she is the daughter of Peter Loop and Couysa Springer? - Dee Merritt 4. I am looking for any information on George Loop, born about 1790 probably in Westmoreland County, PA. I would also like proof that he is the father of John Loop born around 1812/1814 in Delaware Co., OH, died 1913 in Metcalf, IL. - Rosalie Hamilton +++++++++++++++++++++++ NOTES AND ANNOUNCEMENTS +++++++++++++++++++++++ 1. I have now seen full copies of the wills of Capt. Peter and his son Philyer Loop. They yield some new information. Peter Loop's will was clearly written to reflect the order of birth of his children. Please refer to the new family group sheet for Capt. Peter that I have included. I have again rearranged the order of his children to reflect his will. This makes the date of marriage of Mary Loop to Henry Van Deusen suspect. I have seen no original source for that date so will leave it as it is for now. This also makes it more likely that his daughter Jenny, to whom he assigns no last name in his will (not even Loop), is the Jane Loop who married Jonathan Andrus (see query #3, above). She is said to have been born in Hillsdale in 1771. We still need proof of this relationship however. Philyer's will yields only one piece of potentially useful information that we didn't have before. He leaves one of his heirs his lands in Canada. 2. Concerning the mysterious deaths in Philyer's family, I think we know the answer. Ross Roby suggested tuberculosis in a susceptable family. TB was called consumption in those days. I looked through the earliest death records I could find for Alburgh, around the 1850's. A very large number of young men and women were dying of consumption at that time. This is probably what killed off most of the Philyer Loop family. 3. Concerning the name Vilger, Fillier, or Philyer, note that Capt. Peter's son Henry named a son John Philyer Loop and his son David apparently named a son Philgar. This further strengthens my claim that Capt. Peter was the son of Christian Loop and Maria Vilger. 4. Wild speculation: There is some evidence that Richard Henry Loop was a son of Ens. Henry Loop. For example, the marriages into the Hooker family. Secondary sources say that Ens. Henry Loop was held captive on an estate in "Green Bay" in Quebec during the Revolution. I haven't been able yet to find a Green Bay in Quebec, but there is a Granby, not far from Alburg, VT, where Richard Henry Loop was born shortly after Ens. Henry Loop was released from captivity. This possible connection warrants research. 5. Myrtle Fowler - please note the family group sheet of Theodore Murray Loop, who is your Theodore Loop. He is the son of Peter Loop, Jr., who is the son of Capt. Peter Loop. 6. Melba Wickes writes: I have searched for Amos all these years and have been unable to find where in New York he lived. His oldest child, Ann (my husbands's great grandmother) according to the family was born "On the shores of Lake Ontario" in New York. I have read almost all the 1830 census records for New York (all those bordering Lake Ontario) and failed to find Amos. Ann was born 1828/9... My reply: Your Amos is probably the son of Peter H. Loop and Rebecca Gilbert. It is interesting that Peter H. Loop's son Jacob Loop is censused in Ontario, Wayne County, (see above) in 1830. This would be on the shores of Lake Ontario. He moved soon afterward to Ohio. The census record does not show any other mature males living with Jacob, though, so Amos wasn't there. 7. Lora Carter writes: I am making group sheets on all the ancestors of Eliza Ann Loop (Wm. Ferris Loop's daughter) [He was a son of Christian Loop and Lucy Ferris]... Request: Lora, please send copies of Loop material that results from this effort. 8. Concerning the photos from the December issue: 1) Warren Milton Loop 1859-1920 is a descendant of Richard Henry Loop, his wife Emily Jack 1858-1939. 2) Elmer Loop's parents were Fernando DeCorrelo Loop 1842-1917 and Sarah Justus ?-1901. 4) Jacob Loop 1801-? is the grandson of Ludwig Lupp and the son of John Henry Loop. 9. Eugene Loop recently told me that the library at the University of Wisconsin at Superior and the town library of Greentown, Indiana both had copies of Omer Loop's book on Loop Family History. I called both places and neither of them have any record of such a book. 10. Janet G. Loop drove up to visit us recently, bringing her parents with her. We had an interesting chat, and exchanged Loop information. 11. Several people have hinted that it would be nice to hold a Loop reunion. I think it's a fine idea and would try to attend, but I'm going on record as saying that I'm not going to be involved in the organization for any such event. I will, of course, gladly publish details of a Loop reunion in this newsletter. Feel free to write in with any ideas you have on the subject. Any volunteers? 12. Read the family group sheets for Theodore Murray Loop and Ira D. Loop. Both contain interesting stories. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ TEN MOST WANTED ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1. Who were the parents of Christian Loop who married Anna Maria Vilger and was the father of Capt. Peter Loop. The articles that say it was Gerlach Lupp are almost certainly in error. 2. Who were the parents of Ensign Henry Loop? One article says the father's name was John Loop, but I can find no verification for this. 3. Who were the parents of Richard Henry loop (Vermont Henry)? He was born about 1782 in Alburgh, VT. 4. Who were the parents of Ira D. Loop of Canada and Michigan? He was born about 1807 in Odell, Canada, or Ellsburgh [Alburgh?], VT. 5. Who were the parents of the brothers Martin and Sebastian Loop who married sisters Maria and Margaret Minkler? Both couples began having children around the 1750's. 6. Was Ensign Henry Loop the father of Peter H. Loop, whose grave stone is marked Peter Loop, Jr., or was there a separate Peter Loop, Sr., born in 1742, who was Peter H. Loop's father? Ensign Henry Loop did have a son Peter born at the same time as Peter H. Loop. 7. How was Johannes Loop of Hillsdale, who was having children in the the 1770/80's related to the other Hillsdale Loops? His wife's name was Ruth. 8. Was Dr. David Loop of St. Lawrence County, NY, the son of Martin Loop and Maria Hull? Most people think so, but proof is lacking. 9. Who were the parents of Jane Loop who married Jonathan Andrus? She was born in Hillsdale in 1771. Is she the same as Jenny Loop, the daughter of Capt. Peter Loop? 10. Who were the parents of George Loop, born about 1790 in Westmoreland County, PA?